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17.05.18 18:21
#476
godra
@Finanzm3344
Was ist nun eigentlich aus deinen Geely Aktien geworden?
Du hast doch irgendwo angekündigt, dass Du nun investiert bist?
Du hast doch irgendwo angekündigt, dass Du nun investiert bist?
17.05.18 19:28
#477
Finanzm3344
Geely - Kursziel nach unten
http://www.aktiencheck.de/exklusiv/...st_vorbei_Aktienanalyse-8594303
18.05.18 08:49
#478
Finanzm3344
Bloomberg schreibt Tatsachen
oh oh oh Bloomberg warnt Interessenten vor der künftigen Volvo-Aktie, weil Geely zapft brutal an Volvo wo es nur geht
Wollen wir nur hoffen, dass Volvo es schafft bald von Geely wegzukommen
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...t-for-ipo-investors-safety
Wollen wir nur hoffen, dass Volvo es schafft bald von Geely wegzukommen
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...t-for-ipo-investors-safety
18.05.18 11:27
#479
Saldor
@Finanzm3344
Deine Links kann man nicht anklicken. Wenigstens Überschriften der Artikel solltest Du angeben.
18.05.18 12:01
#480
Finanzm3344
Geely lässt Volvo alles bezahlen
Sollte eigentlich bei Bloomberg abrufbar sein, aber okay ich kopiere mal den Text rein:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...t-for-ipo-investors-safety
Volvos IPO Valuation Isnt Built for Safety
The price may have more to do with Chinese parent Geelys capital needs
Timing is everything in investing, and Chinas largest homegrown carmaker has decided that this is the moment to take Volvo Car AB public, at a potentially eye-popping valuation. Buyers should be wary.
Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. has discussed valuing the business at somewhere between $16 billion and $30 billion and is looking at a dual listing in Hong Kong and Sweden, Bloomberg News reported last week. The Chinese company may only proceed if it achieves more than the high end of that range, the Financial Times said on Monday.
The initial public offering has been discussed on-and-off for years. So why does the parent of Hong Kong-listed Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd., which also owns almost 10 percent stake of Daimler AG, want to raise capital now?
At first glance, Zhejiang Geely may want to monetize its holding in the Swedish automaker, especially in a world where companies need money to meet consumers incessant demand for new models. The future of the car market looks uncertain and R&D investment will be forced higher. Allowing Volvo Cars to raise funds will leave Geely to focus on upping its presence in China without having to sink too much into the European business. The company has spoken of its ambitions to be fully electric and is rushing to be the first Chinese brand recognized as a global leader in automotive technology.
Volvo Cars has been investing in new products to meet buyer demand and lessen dependence on its three top-selling models, which account for 60 percent of sales. The Gothenburg-based firm is also developing engines and other technologies, while pursuing plans to revive sales in the peaking U.S. car market with a plant in Charleston, South Carolina, scheduled to open this year. Volvo Cars also helped listed sibling Geely subsidize its upmarket Lynk & Co. brand. But its free cash flow has turned negative because of high inventories in China and the amount the automaker needs to plow into the U.S. factory.
Heres where the argument starts to fall apart. Volvo Cars up-streams dividends to its parent, and thats one of the biggest contributors to its capital needs. The carmaker handed out a first payment of 2.2 billion krona ($250 million), or 29 percent of earnings, last year. About 1.5 billion krona of that went to Zhejiang Geely. A further 65 million krona went to holders of preference shares, which Volvo Cars has been issuing to its parent and other institutional investors. Meanwhile, another entity, Daqing Volvo Car Manufacturing, paid a dividend of 623 million krona to Hangzhou-based Zhejiang Geely.
Together, dividends were one of the biggest drivers of Volvos negative free cash flow position.
Zhejiang Geely needs profitable subsidiaries to fund its ambitions. The parent has been on an acquisition spree totaling at least $14 billion in the past year that included buying stakes in a bank and a flying-car company. Much of that has been funded by short-term loans Zhejiang Geelys debt rose 10 percent in 2017. At the higher end of the potential valuation range, the parent will have to sell around 20 percent of Volvo Cars to fully offset the debt accumulated by Zhejiang Geely Chairman Li Shufu, Robin Zhu of Bernstein Research estimates. Maybe that's why the company is insisting on a $30 billion bottom line.
Volvo Cars has been a prudent borrower so far. But in June last year, the company took on a 1.3 billion euro ($1.5 billion) revolving credit facility to replace a 660 million euro line and to serve as a back-up facility for general corporate purposes. Meanwhile, receivables last year from related entities within the Geely sphere of companies totaled 3.12 billion krona.
At the reported range, Volvo Cars would trade at 14 times to 25 times earnings well above the forward multiples of most global car companies. Investors should give this valuation a careful test drive before buying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...t-for-ipo-investors-safety
Volvos IPO Valuation Isnt Built for Safety
The price may have more to do with Chinese parent Geelys capital needs
Timing is everything in investing, and Chinas largest homegrown carmaker has decided that this is the moment to take Volvo Car AB public, at a potentially eye-popping valuation. Buyers should be wary.
Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. has discussed valuing the business at somewhere between $16 billion and $30 billion and is looking at a dual listing in Hong Kong and Sweden, Bloomberg News reported last week. The Chinese company may only proceed if it achieves more than the high end of that range, the Financial Times said on Monday.
The initial public offering has been discussed on-and-off for years. So why does the parent of Hong Kong-listed Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd., which also owns almost 10 percent stake of Daimler AG, want to raise capital now?
At first glance, Zhejiang Geely may want to monetize its holding in the Swedish automaker, especially in a world where companies need money to meet consumers incessant demand for new models. The future of the car market looks uncertain and R&D investment will be forced higher. Allowing Volvo Cars to raise funds will leave Geely to focus on upping its presence in China without having to sink too much into the European business. The company has spoken of its ambitions to be fully electric and is rushing to be the first Chinese brand recognized as a global leader in automotive technology.
Volvo Cars has been investing in new products to meet buyer demand and lessen dependence on its three top-selling models, which account for 60 percent of sales. The Gothenburg-based firm is also developing engines and other technologies, while pursuing plans to revive sales in the peaking U.S. car market with a plant in Charleston, South Carolina, scheduled to open this year. Volvo Cars also helped listed sibling Geely subsidize its upmarket Lynk & Co. brand. But its free cash flow has turned negative because of high inventories in China and the amount the automaker needs to plow into the U.S. factory.
Heres where the argument starts to fall apart. Volvo Cars up-streams dividends to its parent, and thats one of the biggest contributors to its capital needs. The carmaker handed out a first payment of 2.2 billion krona ($250 million), or 29 percent of earnings, last year. About 1.5 billion krona of that went to Zhejiang Geely. A further 65 million krona went to holders of preference shares, which Volvo Cars has been issuing to its parent and other institutional investors. Meanwhile, another entity, Daqing Volvo Car Manufacturing, paid a dividend of 623 million krona to Hangzhou-based Zhejiang Geely.
Together, dividends were one of the biggest drivers of Volvos negative free cash flow position.
Zhejiang Geely needs profitable subsidiaries to fund its ambitions. The parent has been on an acquisition spree totaling at least $14 billion in the past year that included buying stakes in a bank and a flying-car company. Much of that has been funded by short-term loans Zhejiang Geelys debt rose 10 percent in 2017. At the higher end of the potential valuation range, the parent will have to sell around 20 percent of Volvo Cars to fully offset the debt accumulated by Zhejiang Geely Chairman Li Shufu, Robin Zhu of Bernstein Research estimates. Maybe that's why the company is insisting on a $30 billion bottom line.
Volvo Cars has been a prudent borrower so far. But in June last year, the company took on a 1.3 billion euro ($1.5 billion) revolving credit facility to replace a 660 million euro line and to serve as a back-up facility for general corporate purposes. Meanwhile, receivables last year from related entities within the Geely sphere of companies totaled 3.12 billion krona.
At the reported range, Volvo Cars would trade at 14 times to 25 times earnings well above the forward multiples of most global car companies. Investors should give this valuation a careful test drive before buying.
18.05.18 18:51
#481
godra
Finanzm3344
krieg ich denn keine Antwort auf meine Frage Finanzm3344?
Besitzt Du deine Geely Aktien noch, die du angeblich gekauft hast?
Besitzt Du deine Geely Aktien noch, die du angeblich gekauft hast?
04.06.18 16:01
#482
Finanzm3344
Gefährlich
Ach deshalb steigt der Kurs heute... weil mal wieder die Dividenjäger am Knopf sind ;-) Uuuuiiiiiii da muss man aber echt aufpassen rechtzeitig wieder rauszukommen, denn die Dividenjäger ziehen schnell wieder zur nächsten Aktie - kein Long Anleger
04.06.18 17:13
#483
Gekko1975
Finanzm: Totaler Schwachsinn!
Die hätten auch schon letzte Woche rein können....
04.06.18 21:40
#487
Sezgin
frage zu Kursbewegung bei Dividenten ausschüttung
Wie ist es nach Dividenten auszahlung gehen die kurse wieder nach unten?
Und wie lange nach ausschüttung der Dividente muss mann die Aktien halten ?
Ich habe vor meine Aktien und Kock -Outs endlos mit Totalverlust bei 20 HK Dollar zu behalten ich glaube der Kurs rutscht nicht mehr unter 2,30 Euro.
Und wie lange nach ausschüttung der Dividente muss mann die Aktien halten ?
Ich habe vor meine Aktien und Kock -Outs endlos mit Totalverlust bei 20 HK Dollar zu behalten ich glaube der Kurs rutscht nicht mehr unter 2,30 Euro.
05.06.18 10:17
#489
Finanzm3344
Kurssteigerung Dividendenjäger
@Sezgin - es zählt nur, dass du am EX-Div Tag (also am 08. Juni) die Aktien in deinem Depot hast
Weil die Aktie aber in Chine gehandelt wird, wird es nun spannend sein, wann der Kurs danach fällt... zählt bis Mitternacht unsere Zeit am 08. Juni oder die chinesische Börsenzeit... also wenn wir noch schlafen?
Weil Geely selbst keine Zukunftsperspektive mehr bietet bzw. die Luft raus ist, spricht schon sehr viel dafür, dass wegen der Dividende JETZT gekauft wird ;-)
Weil die Aktie aber in Chine gehandelt wird, wird es nun spannend sein, wann der Kurs danach fällt... zählt bis Mitternacht unsere Zeit am 08. Juni oder die chinesische Börsenzeit... also wenn wir noch schlafen?
Weil Geely selbst keine Zukunftsperspektive mehr bietet bzw. die Luft raus ist, spricht schon sehr viel dafür, dass wegen der Dividende JETZT gekauft wird ;-)
05.06.18 16:27
#490
Gekko1975
Gott bist du fertig!
Hauptsache du bist die Zukunft:-))
Hab dich vermisst kleiner Bot
Hab dich vermisst kleiner Bot
05.06.18 20:35
#491
Finanzm3344
Greift China jetzt in den Markt ein?
bedeutet es nun, dass seit Freitag (01.06.2018) der chinesische Staat in den Aktienmarkt und dessen Kursentwicklung eingreifen darf?
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/finanzmarkt/...-auf-15616920.html
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/finanzmarkt/...-auf-15616920.html
08.06.18 11:09
#493
Finanzm3344
@börsenpirat
wieso warst du denn drin? Tut mir leid für dich... bei dem sonnigen Wetter
08.06.18 11:13
#494
Finanzm3344
Geely
Egal... ich wünsche dir trotzdem viel Erfolg mit Geely, bei so viel Loyalität seit Jahren verdienst du wirklich (und das meine ich ganz ehrlich) dass Geely wieder nach oben geht
:-)
:-)
08.06.18 20:31
#496
Gekko1975
@finanzm: wünsch dir mal lieber
ein gesundes Hirn, du kleiner Bot ;-))
02.07.18 19:25
#497
Finanzm3344
So ein Quatsch
Die Börse in Hong Kong hat heute keinen Feiertag, beispielsweise wurde die Aktie von Animoca gehandelt oder liegt es daran, dass Animoca nicht vom US-Handelskrieg betroffen ist?
04.07.18 12:13
#499
Finanzm3344
Tja
Opsss ich hatte mich gestern geirrt, weil "Animoca" zwar in Hongkong stark aktiv ist, aber es handelt sich um keine chinesische, sondern australische Aktie, damit kann es wohl doch sein, dass gestern die Börse in Hongkong für Geely geschlossen hatte
18.07.18 09:36
#500
Finanzm3344
Rette sich wer kann
https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/...3320-yNM7mO6cmfbDeEB7VhLt-ap3
Das sieht nicht gut aus für Geely. Rette sich wer kann
Das sieht nicht gut aus für Geely. Rette sich wer kann

