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30.11.04 18:49
#401
Mischa
tja, da spekulieren wohl wieder einige
auf ne positive news im dezember. vielleicht gehts auch mal nachhaltiger rauf. hop oder top. ;O)
auf ne positive news im dezember. vielleicht gehts auch mal nachhaltiger rauf. hop oder top. ;O)
01.12.04 17:22
#402
walti
News wenn auch nicht dei Patente betreffend!
EEMBC and Patriot Scientific Announce Benchmark Scores for IGNITE 2FX Processor
EL DORADO HILLS, Calif.
EEMBC, El Dorado Hills
Markus Levy, 530-672-9113
Fax: 530-672-9439
markus@eembc.org
or
Wall Street Communications
Bob Decker, 415-409-0233
Fax: 650-618-1512
bob.decker@wallstcom.com
The Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium and Patriot Scientific Corp. (OTCBB: PTSC) today announced the publication of EEMBC(R) benchmark scores for Patriot Scientific's IGNITE(TM) 2FX, a 32-bit processor based on a hybrid of RISC and dual-stack architectures and targeting applications requiring low power consumption, a low gate count, and a small memory footprint.
Tested against the EEMBC Consumer benchmark suite in a 600-MHz simulation, and using the IGNITE C Compiler Version 1.10, the IGNITE(TM) 2FX achieved an out-of-the-box score of .01808 Consumermarks(TM) per MHz, making it the highest-scoring certified out-of-the-box score on a per-gate basis for any general-purpose processor to date. The EEMBC Consumer benchmark suite measures device performance in digital imaging tasks including JPEG compression and decompression, high-pass gray-scale filtering, and RGB conversion.
"The IGNITE(TM) 2FX Consumermark(TM) scores are remarkable in that this level of processing performance can be delivered by such a small number of physical gates without relying on cache or external resources," said Markus Levy, EEMBC president.
According to Patriot Scientific, the hybrid architecture of the IGNITE(TM) 2FX combines the inherent advantages of RISC and stack architectures to yield a processor that combines affordability, a low gate count, and power efficiency with performance standards equal to or better than many conventional processors.
"I'm very pleased with our Consumermarks(TM) scores as they demonstrate an apex of system-level efficiency for which our industry has strived and clearly show our leading position in delivering efficient processing to applications where ultra-low power, small physical size, and low system cost are critical," said Patrick Nunally, Ph.D., chief technology officer of Patriot Scientific Corp.
"Conventional RISC architectures, with their internally pipelined structures, have benefited from decades of research and development, and have evolved into very efficient and extremely popular modes of computation," Nunally added. "Stack processors are even more efficient and have been around even longer than RISC architectures, yet they still have not made it to mass markets because they lack versatility. By integrating these two technologies, the advantages of RISC and stack processing can finally be realized in a power-efficient, economical system design."
A detailed score report on the IGNITE 2FX is available now from the EEMBC Web site at www.eembc.org or direct from the following link: http://www.eembc.org/benchmark/score/ScoreReportWin.asp?BenchmarkSeq= 536&CertificationType=OTB
About EEMBC
EEMBC, the Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium, develops and certifies real-world benchmarks and benchmark scores to help designers select the right embedded processors for their systems. Every processor submitted for EEMBC(R) benchmarking is tested for parameters representing different workloads and capabilities in communications, networking, consumer, office automation, automotive/industrial, embedded Java, and microcontroller-related applications. With members including leading semiconductor, intellectual property, and compiler companies, EEMBC establishes benchmark standards and provides certified benchmarking results through the EEMBC Certification Labs (ECL).
EEMBC's members include Altera, AMCC, AMD, Analog Devices, ARC, ARM, Atmel, CEVA, Cirrus Logic, esmertec, Faraday, Freescale Semiconductor, Fujitsu Microelectronics, General Dynamics, Green Hills Software, IAR Systems, IBM, Imagination Technologies, Improv Systems, Infineon Technologies, Intel, Intrinsity, IPFlex, LSI Logic, Marvell Semiconductor, Matsushita Electric Industrial, Mentor Graphics, Metaware, MetroWerks, MIPS Technologies, National Semiconductor, NEC Electronics, Nokia, Oki Electric Industry, palmOne, Patriot Scientific, Philips Semiconductors, PMC-Sierra, Qualcomm, Raza Microelectronics, Red Hat, Renesas Technology, Rockwell Collins, Samsung Electronics, Sony Computer Entertainment, ST Microelectronics, StarCore, Stretch, Sun Microsystems, Symbian, Tao Group, Tensilica, Texas Instruments, Time Warner Cable, Toshiba, Transmeta, VIA Technologies, and Wind River Systems.
EEMBC is a registered trademark of the Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium. All other trademarks appearing herein are the property of their respective owners.
About Patriot Scientific
Patriot Scientific is an intellectual property company, developing and marketing innovative and proprietary semiconductor technologies into the fast-growing handheld wireless and smart card markets. The company's portfolio of patents encompasses what is believed to be fundamental microprocessor technology and includes additional patents pending to protect its technology and architecture.
EL DORADO HILLS, Calif.
EEMBC, El Dorado Hills
Markus Levy, 530-672-9113
Fax: 530-672-9439
markus@eembc.org
or
Wall Street Communications
Bob Decker, 415-409-0233
Fax: 650-618-1512
bob.decker@wallstcom.com
The Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium and Patriot Scientific Corp. (OTCBB: PTSC) today announced the publication of EEMBC(R) benchmark scores for Patriot Scientific's IGNITE(TM) 2FX, a 32-bit processor based on a hybrid of RISC and dual-stack architectures and targeting applications requiring low power consumption, a low gate count, and a small memory footprint.
Tested against the EEMBC Consumer benchmark suite in a 600-MHz simulation, and using the IGNITE C Compiler Version 1.10, the IGNITE(TM) 2FX achieved an out-of-the-box score of .01808 Consumermarks(TM) per MHz, making it the highest-scoring certified out-of-the-box score on a per-gate basis for any general-purpose processor to date. The EEMBC Consumer benchmark suite measures device performance in digital imaging tasks including JPEG compression and decompression, high-pass gray-scale filtering, and RGB conversion.
"The IGNITE(TM) 2FX Consumermark(TM) scores are remarkable in that this level of processing performance can be delivered by such a small number of physical gates without relying on cache or external resources," said Markus Levy, EEMBC president.
According to Patriot Scientific, the hybrid architecture of the IGNITE(TM) 2FX combines the inherent advantages of RISC and stack architectures to yield a processor that combines affordability, a low gate count, and power efficiency with performance standards equal to or better than many conventional processors.
"I'm very pleased with our Consumermarks(TM) scores as they demonstrate an apex of system-level efficiency for which our industry has strived and clearly show our leading position in delivering efficient processing to applications where ultra-low power, small physical size, and low system cost are critical," said Patrick Nunally, Ph.D., chief technology officer of Patriot Scientific Corp.
"Conventional RISC architectures, with their internally pipelined structures, have benefited from decades of research and development, and have evolved into very efficient and extremely popular modes of computation," Nunally added. "Stack processors are even more efficient and have been around even longer than RISC architectures, yet they still have not made it to mass markets because they lack versatility. By integrating these two technologies, the advantages of RISC and stack processing can finally be realized in a power-efficient, economical system design."
A detailed score report on the IGNITE 2FX is available now from the EEMBC Web site at www.eembc.org or direct from the following link: http://www.eembc.org/benchmark/score/ScoreReportWin.asp?BenchmarkSeq= 536&CertificationType=OTB
About EEMBC
EEMBC, the Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium, develops and certifies real-world benchmarks and benchmark scores to help designers select the right embedded processors for their systems. Every processor submitted for EEMBC(R) benchmarking is tested for parameters representing different workloads and capabilities in communications, networking, consumer, office automation, automotive/industrial, embedded Java, and microcontroller-related applications. With members including leading semiconductor, intellectual property, and compiler companies, EEMBC establishes benchmark standards and provides certified benchmarking results through the EEMBC Certification Labs (ECL).
EEMBC's members include Altera, AMCC, AMD, Analog Devices, ARC, ARM, Atmel, CEVA, Cirrus Logic, esmertec, Faraday, Freescale Semiconductor, Fujitsu Microelectronics, General Dynamics, Green Hills Software, IAR Systems, IBM, Imagination Technologies, Improv Systems, Infineon Technologies, Intel, Intrinsity, IPFlex, LSI Logic, Marvell Semiconductor, Matsushita Electric Industrial, Mentor Graphics, Metaware, MetroWerks, MIPS Technologies, National Semiconductor, NEC Electronics, Nokia, Oki Electric Industry, palmOne, Patriot Scientific, Philips Semiconductors, PMC-Sierra, Qualcomm, Raza Microelectronics, Red Hat, Renesas Technology, Rockwell Collins, Samsung Electronics, Sony Computer Entertainment, ST Microelectronics, StarCore, Stretch, Sun Microsystems, Symbian, Tao Group, Tensilica, Texas Instruments, Time Warner Cable, Toshiba, Transmeta, VIA Technologies, and Wind River Systems.
EEMBC is a registered trademark of the Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium. All other trademarks appearing herein are the property of their respective owners.
About Patriot Scientific
Patriot Scientific is an intellectual property company, developing and marketing innovative and proprietary semiconductor technologies into the fast-growing handheld wireless and smart card markets. The company's portfolio of patents encompasses what is believed to be fundamental microprocessor technology and includes additional patents pending to protect its technology and architecture.
01.12.04 17:26
#403
timm
News - hier der Link
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041201/15489_1.html
01.12.04 17:27
#404
timm
hier der Benchmark
Certification Report 536
Benchmark Information
Application Area Consumer
Type of Platform Simulator
Type of Benchmark Out-of-the-box
Certification Date 11/23/2004
Certification Status Certification by EEMBC Certification Labs (ECL)
Benchmark Run Date 11/08/2004
Hardware Platform Availability Date 11/30/2004
Software Platform Availability Date 11/30/2004
Benchmark Notes The IGNITE 2FX was architected for optimal performance on a per-gate basis.
Processor & Processor System
Company Name Patriot Scientific Corp.
Processor Name-Clock Patriot Scientific IGNITE 2FX - 600MHz(*)
Simulator Type Software
Gate count or area in a given technology 38,900 gates
Simulator Type Hardware emulation
Simulator Version 1.3
This simulator is verified to RTL. Accuracy level. 99.9999%
Processor Configuration Description Standard IGNITE 2FX softmacro IP
Processor Release Number 1.0
Architecture Type RISC
L1 Instruction Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
Native Data Type 32-bit
L1 Instruction Cache Type N/A
L1 Data Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
L1 Data Cache Type N/A
Type and Size of Other On-Chip Memory None
On-chip Peripherals Used in Benchmark None
External Data Bus Width (Bits) 32-bit
RAM Amount 2048 kbytes (2MB)
RAM Type SRAM
Memory Configuration 1-cycle response
L2 Cache Clock N/A
L2 Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
L2 Cache Type N/A
Toolchain
Compiler Model and Version IGNITE C Compiler Version 1.10
Compiler Vendor Patriot Scientific Corp.
Compiler Vendor Public Contact Information www.ptsc.com
Assembler Name iasm
Assembler Version 1.9
Format of Executables COFF
Libraries Used in Benchmark Standard C Libraries
Library Exceptions None
Linker Name ilnk
Linker Version 1.5
Post-Processing Tools None
Floating Point Hardware
Compiler Flags
ANSI Adherance Strict
Code Generation Flags -O (speed)
Debug Settings Off
Endian Big endian
Error Handling and Level Standard
Include Files None
Portability Flags None
Post-processor None
Warning Flags None
Benchmark Scores
Iterations
per million cycles Code Size
in bytes Data Size
in bytes
Compress JPEG 0.015 24816 238332
Decompress JPEG 0.017 32692 25504
High Pass Grey-scale filter 0.082 796 77088
RGB to CYMK Conversion 0.114 676 230688
RGB to YIQ Conversion 0.041 760 230688
ConsumermarkTM .01808
(*) These certified benchmark scores were derived solely from simulation.
Certification means the scores were recreated on the simulator by an independent third-party, ECL.
The vendor has stipulated that the simulator has been verified against RTL.
Copyright (c) 1998-2004 Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium (EEMBC), Inc.
Benchmark Information
Application Area Consumer
Type of Platform Simulator
Type of Benchmark Out-of-the-box
Certification Date 11/23/2004
Certification Status Certification by EEMBC Certification Labs (ECL)
Benchmark Run Date 11/08/2004
Hardware Platform Availability Date 11/30/2004
Software Platform Availability Date 11/30/2004
Benchmark Notes The IGNITE 2FX was architected for optimal performance on a per-gate basis.
Processor & Processor System
Company Name Patriot Scientific Corp.
Processor Name-Clock Patriot Scientific IGNITE 2FX - 600MHz(*)
Simulator Type Software
Gate count or area in a given technology 38,900 gates
Simulator Type Hardware emulation
Simulator Version 1.3
This simulator is verified to RTL. Accuracy level. 99.9999%
Processor Configuration Description Standard IGNITE 2FX softmacro IP
Processor Release Number 1.0
Architecture Type RISC
L1 Instruction Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
Native Data Type 32-bit
L1 Instruction Cache Type N/A
L1 Data Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
L1 Data Cache Type N/A
Type and Size of Other On-Chip Memory None
On-chip Peripherals Used in Benchmark None
External Data Bus Width (Bits) 32-bit
RAM Amount 2048 kbytes (2MB)
RAM Type SRAM
Memory Configuration 1-cycle response
L2 Cache Clock N/A
L2 Cache Size (kbyte) N/A
L2 Cache Type N/A
Toolchain
Compiler Model and Version IGNITE C Compiler Version 1.10
Compiler Vendor Patriot Scientific Corp.
Compiler Vendor Public Contact Information www.ptsc.com
Assembler Name iasm
Assembler Version 1.9
Format of Executables COFF
Libraries Used in Benchmark Standard C Libraries
Library Exceptions None
Linker Name ilnk
Linker Version 1.5
Post-Processing Tools None
Floating Point Hardware
Compiler Flags
ANSI Adherance Strict
Code Generation Flags -O (speed)
Debug Settings Off
Endian Big endian
Error Handling and Level Standard
Include Files None
Portability Flags None
Post-processor None
Warning Flags None
Benchmark Scores
Iterations
per million cycles Code Size
in bytes Data Size
in bytes
Compress JPEG 0.015 24816 238332
Decompress JPEG 0.017 32692 25504
High Pass Grey-scale filter 0.082 796 77088
RGB to CYMK Conversion 0.114 676 230688
RGB to YIQ Conversion 0.041 760 230688
ConsumermarkTM .01808
(*) These certified benchmark scores were derived solely from simulation.
Certification means the scores were recreated on the simulator by an independent third-party, ECL.
The vendor has stipulated that the simulator has been verified against RTL.
Copyright (c) 1998-2004 Embedded Microprocessor Benchmark Consortium (EEMBC), Inc.
02.12.04 12:27
#406
Eichi
Steigt in Frankfurt ohne Umsatz
Berlin möchte man jetzt 0,055. Ist da eine Meldung vorhanden oder im Anlauf?
02.12.04 15:02
#407
Mischa
oderbuch im amiland finde ich
interessant. jeden tag positioniert sich nite(einer der grössten mm´s) etwas höher.heute stützt er die 0,05 und steht erst bei 0,065 im ask.könnte also weiter rauf gehen. solche gedanken kommen auch nur bei langeweile zustande. ;O9
interessant. jeden tag positioniert sich nite(einer der grössten mm´s) etwas höher.heute stützt er die 0,05 und steht erst bei 0,065 im ask.könnte also weiter rauf gehen. solche gedanken kommen auch nur bei langeweile zustande. ;O9
08.12.04 15:43
#408
timm
ist das der Startschuss? hört sich doch super an
Patriot Scientific Learns of Agreement Validating Its '336 Patent
8 December 2004, 09:18am ET
SAN DIEGO, Dec. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Patriot Scientific Corporation (BB:PTSC) has learned of a license agreement dated June 28, 2004 between Intel Corporation and Charles H. Moore (Moore), TPL Micro Ltd. (TPL Micro) and Technology Properties Ltd. (TPL)(Moore, TPL Micro Ltd. and TPL are collectively the licensors). This agreement provides Intel with, among other things, a non-exclusive, irrevocable, non-terminable, worldwide license to make, have made, use, license, distribute and sell Intel products that practice the U.S. 5,809,336 Patent.
This agreement between Intel and, collectively, the licensors demonstrates the validity of the U.S. Patent 5,809,336, " High Performance Microprocessor Having Variable Speed System Clock." PTSC strongly maintains, and believes the evidence to be submitted at trial, will demonstrate that it is the sole owner of this patent, which has enormous commercial value to the company. " Intel and other companies who execute licensing agreements with Moore, TPL Micro Ltd. and TPL are assuming significant risk for their respective companies in licensing technology for which Moore, TPL Micro Ltd and TPL have no legitimate ownership if in litigation Fish is determined to have been the sole inventor," stated Jeff Wallin PTSC's CEO.
PTSC has been involved over some time in infringement litigations over some parts of its patent portfolio and also in litigation over inventorship and ownership of those patents.
One of the patents, U.S. Patent No. 5,809,336, " High Performance Microprocessor Having Variable Speed System Clock," (the '336 Patent) is listed in the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO), along with several other patents, as having been co-invented by Russell H. Fish, III and Charles H. Moore. Some years ago, Fish's interests in these patents were transferred to the Fish Family Trust, then to Nanotronics Corporation, then to Patriot, which now owns 100% of Fish's interests in these patents, including the '336 Patent. Discovery in the inventorship litigation strongly suggests that Fish was the sole inventor of the '336 Patent. If so, he was then its sole owner, and Patriot is now its sole owner.
PTSC has had suspicions that Intel was behind an offer made through TPL last month to purchase PTSC's patent portfolio. Learning of this license agreement lends creditability to PTSC's concern that Intel, through the licensors, is anxious to secure the technology at a price far less than its value to PTSC's shareholders.
Intel has demonstrated a strong belief in the validity of the patents by entering into the license agreement, and the licensors recognize that they must secure ownership of PTSC's interests or the license agreement may be set aside, and the pending litigation between PTSC and Intel would proceed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California (case numbers C 03-5787 SBA and C 04-0439 SBA).
About Patriot Scientific
Patriot Scientific is an intellectual property company, developing and marketing innovative and proprietary semiconductor technologies into the fast- growing handheld wireless and smart card markets. The company's portfolio of patents encompasses what is believed to be fundamental microprocessor technology and includes additional patents pending to protect its technology and architecture.
For Patriot Scientific information, contact Lowell Giffhorn at (858) 674-5018. Detailed information about Patriot Scientific can be found on the website http://www.ptsc.com . Copies of Patriot Scientific press releases, current price quotes, stock charts and other valuable information for investors may be found on the websites http://www.hawkassociates.com and http://www.hawkmicrocaps.com .
An investment profile on Patriot Scientific may be found at http://www.hawkassociates.com/patriot/profile.htm .
For investor relations information, contact Frank Hawkins or Julie Marshall, Hawk Associates, at (305) 852-2383, e-mail: info@hawkassociates.com .
Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements in this news release looking forward in time involve risks and uncertainties, including the risks associated with the effect of changing economic conditions, trends in the products markets, variations in the company's cash flow, market acceptance risks, technical development risks, seasonality and other risk factors detailed in the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
SOURCE Patriot Scientific Corporation
-0- 12/08/2004
/CONTACT: Lowell Giffhorn, Patriot Scientific Corporation,
+1-858-674-5018; or investor relations, Frank Hawkins or Julie Marshall, both
of Hawk Associates, +1-305-852-2383, or
info@hawkassociates.com
, for Patriot
Scientific Corporation /
/Web site:
http://www.ptsc.com
8 December 2004, 09:18am ET
SAN DIEGO, Dec. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Patriot Scientific Corporation (BB:PTSC) has learned of a license agreement dated June 28, 2004 between Intel Corporation and Charles H. Moore (Moore), TPL Micro Ltd. (TPL Micro) and Technology Properties Ltd. (TPL)(Moore, TPL Micro Ltd. and TPL are collectively the licensors). This agreement provides Intel with, among other things, a non-exclusive, irrevocable, non-terminable, worldwide license to make, have made, use, license, distribute and sell Intel products that practice the U.S. 5,809,336 Patent.
This agreement between Intel and, collectively, the licensors demonstrates the validity of the U.S. Patent 5,809,336, " High Performance Microprocessor Having Variable Speed System Clock." PTSC strongly maintains, and believes the evidence to be submitted at trial, will demonstrate that it is the sole owner of this patent, which has enormous commercial value to the company. " Intel and other companies who execute licensing agreements with Moore, TPL Micro Ltd. and TPL are assuming significant risk for their respective companies in licensing technology for which Moore, TPL Micro Ltd and TPL have no legitimate ownership if in litigation Fish is determined to have been the sole inventor," stated Jeff Wallin PTSC's CEO.
PTSC has been involved over some time in infringement litigations over some parts of its patent portfolio and also in litigation over inventorship and ownership of those patents.
One of the patents, U.S. Patent No. 5,809,336, " High Performance Microprocessor Having Variable Speed System Clock," (the '336 Patent) is listed in the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO), along with several other patents, as having been co-invented by Russell H. Fish, III and Charles H. Moore. Some years ago, Fish's interests in these patents were transferred to the Fish Family Trust, then to Nanotronics Corporation, then to Patriot, which now owns 100% of Fish's interests in these patents, including the '336 Patent. Discovery in the inventorship litigation strongly suggests that Fish was the sole inventor of the '336 Patent. If so, he was then its sole owner, and Patriot is now its sole owner.
PTSC has had suspicions that Intel was behind an offer made through TPL last month to purchase PTSC's patent portfolio. Learning of this license agreement lends creditability to PTSC's concern that Intel, through the licensors, is anxious to secure the technology at a price far less than its value to PTSC's shareholders.
Intel has demonstrated a strong belief in the validity of the patents by entering into the license agreement, and the licensors recognize that they must secure ownership of PTSC's interests or the license agreement may be set aside, and the pending litigation between PTSC and Intel would proceed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California (case numbers C 03-5787 SBA and C 04-0439 SBA).
About Patriot Scientific
Patriot Scientific is an intellectual property company, developing and marketing innovative and proprietary semiconductor technologies into the fast- growing handheld wireless and smart card markets. The company's portfolio of patents encompasses what is believed to be fundamental microprocessor technology and includes additional patents pending to protect its technology and architecture.
For Patriot Scientific information, contact Lowell Giffhorn at (858) 674-5018. Detailed information about Patriot Scientific can be found on the website http://www.ptsc.com . Copies of Patriot Scientific press releases, current price quotes, stock charts and other valuable information for investors may be found on the websites http://www.hawkassociates.com and http://www.hawkmicrocaps.com .
An investment profile on Patriot Scientific may be found at http://www.hawkassociates.com/patriot/profile.htm .
For investor relations information, contact Frank Hawkins or Julie Marshall, Hawk Associates, at (305) 852-2383, e-mail: info@hawkassociates.com .
Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements in this news release looking forward in time involve risks and uncertainties, including the risks associated with the effect of changing economic conditions, trends in the products markets, variations in the company's cash flow, market acceptance risks, technical development risks, seasonality and other risk factors detailed in the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
SOURCE Patriot Scientific Corporation
-0- 12/08/2004
/CONTACT: Lowell Giffhorn, Patriot Scientific Corporation,
+1-858-674-5018; or investor relations, Frank Hawkins or Julie Marshall, both
of Hawk Associates, +1-305-852-2383, or
info@hawkassociates.com
, for Patriot
Scientific Corporation /
/Web site:
http://www.ptsc.com
08.12.04 15:47
#410
timm
da müssten doch gleich grosse Bewegung sein
nachdem gestern grosse pakete aus dem ask gekauft worden sind und kleine wieder niedrig reigestellt worden sind (preis schön niedrig halten), könnte doch heute mindestens die 6 cent purzeln oder...?
auf jeden fall bleibt es spannend
auf jeden fall bleibt es spannend
08.12.04 15:59
#414
Mischa
also das volumen der letzten woche war doch
generell wieder etwas besser wie die wochen davor. trotzdem, richtig spannend wird es erst, wenn nen termin vs intel steht. dann werden wir so richtige schwankungen sehen. wenn....
generell wieder etwas besser wie die wochen davor. trotzdem, richtig spannend wird es erst, wenn nen termin vs intel steht. dann werden wir so richtige schwankungen sehen. wenn....
08.12.04 16:13
#424
timm
nein sind es nicht o. T.
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