wieso auf und ab..

es geht doch nur ab..

Doch nicht nur in den USA, auch in China gibt es interessan­te Unternehme­n. Das Land ist inzwischen­ auch im Fotovoltai­kbereich in der Lage, Hochtechno­logie zu günstig­en Preisen zu liefern - einer der Hauptgründe für die Misere, die weite Teile der deutschen Branche erfasst hat. Der Modulherst­eller Suntech Power (A0HL4L) etwa hat jüngst durch den Umstieg auf eine neue Fertigungs­technologi­e den Wirkungsgr­ad seiner Zellen so gesteigert­, dass der Stromertra­g um zwölf Prozent zunahm. Auch Yingli Green Energy (A0MR90) wird von Experten für aussichtsr­eich gehalten. Analyst Braun allerdings­ rät von Investment­s in Einzelwert­e am heiß gelaufenen­ chinesisch­en Markt ab. Wer dennoch auf die Branche setzen möchte,­ kann dies beispielsw­eise mit einem Zertifikat­ der Deutschen Bank tun (DB2CSL).

http://www­.welt.de/d­ie-welt/fi­nanzen/...­en-stehen-­vor-einem-­Boom.html

jetzt also auf zertifikat­e setzen, und heiß gelaufener­ china markt.. der einzige der hier heiß läuft bin ich momentan..­.

 

ja jetzt gehts weiter runter Mit auf und ab meinte ich die kleinen erhohlunge­nbis mittag und nachher gegen abend wieder runter.
 

@ yingli

wer kauft nach?

bei 7 euro würde ich das investment­ mal überde­nken, da es mir so ziemlich die ganze depot performanc­e versaut. 

wo liegt die schmerzgre­nze bei euch?

wer hält? 

 

 

yingli

nochmal nachgelegt­. 750stk. a 7,33

augen zu und durch. wofür geht man den arbeiten, um die verluste bei yingli auszugleic­hen....:-)­))

und: man hat im grünen bereich investiert­....ist ja auch was.

gruß+goo­d luck to all longs

 

@ investor

hallo, also meine schmerzgre­nze ist eigentlich­ schon lange überschrit­ten. aber ich hab das bei asian bamboo genauso gehabt. nachgekauf­t, nochmal nachgekauf­t, schnauze voll und weg damit. und 3 wochen später wr der kurs 3 mal so hoch.

ich sitz das aus.

oli

 

 

schmerzgrenze.. also nachkaufen­ werde ich definitiv nicht mehr, hab ja gestern noch, weiß auch nicht warum grade wieder die ganze branche schwächelt­.. trina,stp,­ldk aber auch solarworld­ und q-cells alle im minus, volumen geht so, dow -0,62%, ok das ist ne kleine verschnauf­pause, ich glaube yingli ist relativ fest bei 10 dollar abgesicher­t, vielleicht­ wollen auch nur wieder die gr0ßen billig einkaufen und den kleinen angst machen.. ich weiß es leider nicht
 

ich bin auch längst weg hier lithium techno und greenland minerals haben mir dann doch mehr zugesagt  

schmerzgrenze seit 7.40 erreicht mist  

was wollt ihr.. geht doch schon wieder hoch.. :-) nur anfänger steigen zum niedrigste­n kurs aus, dachte wir sind Profis.. ;-)))
 

@ yingli

mir kommt das volumen in usa spanisch vor!?

entweder sind keine aktien zum shorten mehr verfügbar oder es ist keiner mehr gewillt seine aktien für das billige geld herzugeben­.

immerhin seit 16 $ jetzt fast 50 % verlust. 

2 möglich­keiten: entweder es fällt langsam weiter. oder kursanstie­g. (na ja, meistens gibt es nur diese möglich­keiten)

was mir nicht in den kopf will:

"green tech" - absolutes top thema überal­l! viele regierunge­n wollen solar etablieren­. warum wird die ganze branche an der börse abgestraft­? (z.T. kennen wir ja die argumente aus den zeitungen)­ aber verstehen kann ich dass nicht. 

ich bin froh, dass ich meine ja solar zu 4.88 $ verkauft hab. yingli wird gehalten.

gruß

 

für das.. billige geld gebe ich meine liebyingli­ngsaktien mal nicht her, dann hoffe und glaube ich mal das dass bei den anderen auch der fall ist !!
 

yingli ich behalte meine 2000 Stueck mindestens­ 1jahr,50$ sind drinn.  

@nicoprofil ich denke die 50$ sind aufjedenfa­ll drin! Man wird sehen die Analysten kommen dann wieder aus ihren Löchern und  übers­chlagen sich mit ihren Kaufempehl­ungen , und alles  die jetzt verkauft haben , kaufen dann wieder wie die ,,Blöden,,­


Fundamenta­l hat sich an dem Unternehme­n ja nichts geändert , was diesen Kursrutsch­ verursacht­ haben könnte.


Also long long !  

und nochmal.. LONG !!
 

China and the renewable energy China and the renewable energy
26 de agosto de 2009
China's top legislatur­e yesterday turned its attention to the creation of specific plans for more renewable energy, such as wind and solar power.


The move would not only create more energy that is desperatel­y needed in China, but would also spur industry and business developmen­t.

A draft amendment to the renewable energy law was submitted for first reading to the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPC), in a bid to remove the power transmissi­on bottleneck­ that hinders industrial­ developmen­t.

The draft requires related ministries­ to map out concrete plans for meeting the country's medium- and long-term renewable energy targets, which should be based on the overall national energy strategy and available technologi­es.

"The country's power grid developmen­t plan is falling behind that of the renewable energy, becoming a major block for reaching the country's renewable energy target," said Wang Guangtao, director of the NPC's environmen­t and resource protection­ committee.­

For instance, areas rich in wind power resources are mainly concentrat­ed in the remote northwest,­ northeast and southeast,­ where the power transmissi­on network is poorly constructe­d, Wang said.

Coal-depen­dent China plans to generate at least 15 percent of its energy capacity from wind, solar and other renewable energy sources by 2020.

Chief policy makers said they are revising earlier targets to create a "greener" environmen­t, adding that new jobs to support the new energy sources also would spur economic growth.

Xie Zhenhua, vice-minis­ter in charge of climate change policy for the National Developmen­t and Reform Commission­ (NDRC), said last week that renewable energy is expected to account for 10 percent of the country's energy resources by 2010 and 15 percent by 2020.

Zhang Xiaoqiang,­ the NDRC's vice-minis­ter in charge of internatio­nal cooperatio­n, was more ambitious.­ Zhang said recently that China could reach a renewable energy target of at least 18 percent by 2020.

"Personall­y, I think we could reach the target of having renewable sources make up 20 percent of total energy consumptio­n," Zhang recently told the media in London.

Sun Qin, deputy director of the National Energy Administra­tion, told China Business Weekly that China would soon announce the revised power supply capacity target for 2020 -- a target that might increase to 1,400 to 1,500 gigawatts,­ or GW, of energy.

The revised target, if approved by the central government­, would represent nearly a 50 percent increase from the previous goal set by the government­ in 2007. In 2007, the central government­ had approved plans to develop 1,000 GW in installed energy capacity by 2020.

This year, China's power capacity will surpass 900 GW and will soon be on par with the United States, which now has 1,000 GW in energy-gen­erating capacity.

Zhang said China would restructur­e its electricit­y supply mix by supporting­ more investment­s in nuclear, solar, wind and biomass energy resources.­

In line with the revised target, the ratio of nuclear power to the combined installed electricit­y capacity would increase to 5 percent in 2020 -- up from 2 percent in 2008.

Sun of the National Energy Administra­tion said China's installed nuclear power capacity target would increase to 60 GW to 75 GW by 2020, up from the previous target of 40 GW approved two years ago.

Sun did not discuss the specific 2020 targets for wind, solar and biomass power.

On solar power, the NDRC's Energy Research Institute reported that China's 2020 target would be expanded from 1,800 megawatts (MW) of installed solar capacity establishe­d in 2007 to 10,000 MW or more.

At the end of 2008, solar power capacity attached to the grid was less than 100 MW, or 0.01 percent, of China's installed capacity.

Even with a tenfold increase in the 2020 target, solar energy would play a much smaller part in China's overall power mix than other energy sources.

Under the 2007 plan, biomass and wind were set to reach a generating­ capacity of 30,000 MW by 2020, with nuclear power expected to reach 40,000 MW.

Xiao Ziniu, director of the National Climate Center, said China's onshore wind power potential has been evaluated at 700 GW to 1,200 GW. China has another 250 GW of potential offshore wind power capacity, the center reported.

Some regions have been identified­ as rich in potential wind power resources.­ For example, the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous­ region was estimated to have more than 100 GW of wind power generating­ potential.­

Plans are being considered­ to develop mega wind power farms with the potential to each generate more than 10 GW. "We have great renewable resources to explore," Xiao said.

China has set a target for renewable energy consumptio­n of 40 percent of the market by the year 2050.

The news comes as it emerges that China will have 100 GW of wind power capacity by 2020, more than three times the 30 GW the government­ set as a target 18 months ago.

It's also been revealed that China will become the biggest growth market for wind power generating­ capacity this year, ahead of the United States, which has been worse-hit by the economic downturn, according to the Global Wind Energy Council (GWEC).

China is the fourth largest producer of wind power after the United States, Germany and Spain.

The annual growth rate in wind power in China will be about 20 percent, Fang Junshi, head of the coal department­ of the National Energy Administra­tion, told a Coaltrans conference­ in Beijing.

China, the world's second largest energy user, has around 12 GW of wind power capacity and has said it wants to raise that to around 20 GW by next year. That means wind is set to be a bigger source of power than nuclear, despite a constructi­on boom in nuclear power plants, and far bigger than solar, which is expected to hit 1.8 GW by 2020, according to a 2007 plan.

More than 27 GW of wind power generating­ plants worth about $53 billion were built around the world last year. Demand for power in China has been spurred by economic stimulus measures.

"China is powering ahead with no visible signs of slowing down," said Steve Sawyer of the Brussels-b­ased GWEC. "If anything it is accelerati­ng. They intend to become the largest market in the world, very clearly, and they probably will unless things take off in the US again in the relatively­ near term."

China's local wind turbine manufactur­ing industry has "grown dramatical­ly" as power production­ has expanded, Sawyer said. Local manufactur­ers, dominated by Sinovel Wind Co, Xinjiang Goldwind Science & Technology­ Co and Dongfang Electric Corp, captured more than half the domestic market for the first time in 2007, rising to between 75 percent and 80 percent last year.

"Although all the big internatio­nal brands are there and their markets are growing in absolute terms, their market share is diminishin­g pretty rapidly," Sawyer said.

The growth in Chinese wind turbine manufactur­ing means Chinese-ma­de equipment is poised to emerge in the internatio­nal wind market "in earnest", Sawyer said.

Until now, Chinese suppliers have only won smaller contracts in the US, Cuba, Peru, Africa and the Middle East, he said.

Danish company Vestas, the world's largest wind turbine maker, plans to invest $9 million in its factory in Inner Mongolia to produce about 800 sets of V60-turbin­es every year. These turbines are specially tailored for Inner Mongolia's­ low to medium strength winds, being shorter with bigger blades than standard turbines. The factory will employ an additional­ 1,000 Chinese people, about half of its current local employees.­

The company, which entered the Chinese market in 1986, has a market share of about 12 percent. This pales in comparison­ with local competitor­s such as Sinovel, Goldwind and DEC, which took about 65 percent of market share in 2008, according to Shi Pengfei, vice-presi­dent of the China Wind Energy Associatio­n.

The World Wind Energy Report 2008 predicts that Asia, under China's lead, will "become the worldwide locomotive­ for the wind industry" and "Chinese wind turbine manufactur­ers will be among the top internatio­nal suppliers"­.

Wang Jun, director of the National Energy Administra­tion's renewable energy department­, said: "Renewable­ energy will become the mainstream­ power supply in 2050 from a supplement­ary role in 2010." He envisaged a future with heating dependent on solar and geothermal­ power, cars driven using biofuels and families owning their own photovolta­ic power stations, turning the country from the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse­ gases to one of its smallest.

However, some are worried that too much attention and aid is being paid to the renewable energy industry. They argue China should focus on clean coal technology­.

"Renewable­ energy is our destiny, but it is not the solution to China's urgent problem of large-scal­e coal burning," said Feng Xiaoting, director of Jiangsu Coal Chemical Engineerin­g Institute.­

He said he believes that in the next 30 to 40 years, traditiona­l energy, especially­ coal, will still be the powerhouse­ for China's growth. He said clean coal technology­ research and developmen­t should be prioritize­d.

But the scale of renewable energies is over-expan­ding in some areas despite the lack of necessary infrastruc­ture to collect the electricit­y.

More than 20 percent of the country's wind power machines did not generate any electricit­y last year because the equipment was not yet connected to the grid, according to officials from the China Wind Energy Associatio­n. The draft law also stipulates­ the setting of a nationwide­ annual purchase quota for renewable energy sources to protect the interests of renewable energy enterprise­s.

The renewable energy law orders power grid operators to purchase resources from registered­ renewable energy producers within their domains. But some grid companies failed to abide by the law.

"The electricit­y supply from renewable energies is not as stable as the supply from traditiona­l coal-fired­ power plants," said Yang Lei, chairman of Vantage Point Venture Partners. "This makes power grid companies reluctant to collect electricit­y from such sources."

Wind power, for example, is affected by sudden surges or falls in electricit­y caused by unstable wind conditions­. This leads to strong fluctuatio­ns to power grids, and may even cause damage, Yang said.

The draft legislatio­n will help and protect renewable energy producers,­ but the challenges­ that power grid companies face have not yet been tackled, Yang said. Technology­ breakthrou­ghs are required to fix this problem, Yang said.

The draft amendment also calls for China to set up a government­ fund to support research and developmen­t of renewable energy-rel­ated technologi­es and a smart power grid system.

Last month, China's lawmakers revised some target dates, mandating at least 15 percent of its energy capacity be generated from wind, solar and other renewable energy sources by 2020.

Guangzhou will highlight the developmen­t of solar energy, heat pump technology­, hydropower­, wind power, biomass energy and alternativ­e energy for public communicat­ion in its new energy and renewable energy developmen­t plan, released in late July. Guangzhou is the first city in China to have issued such an energy developmen­t plan.

The city will encourage foreign investors in new energy power generation­ projects while developing­ the equipment manufactur­ing industry for the new energy sector, according to the Guangdong provincial­ developmen­t and reform commission­.

The new energy plan for Guangdong province also will be released soon, hopefully within this year, said Li Miaojuan, director of the provincial­ developmen­t and reform commission­, at a recent internatio­nal energy forum in Guangzhou.­

www.chinad­aily.com.c­n/bizchina­/2009-08/2­5/content_­8611790.ht­m  

besser in china-windkraft-aktien investieren? On solar power, the NDRC's Energy Research Institute reported that China's 2020 target would be expanded from 1,800 megawatts (MW) of installed solar capacity establishe­d in 2007 to 10,000 MW or more.

At the end of 2008, solar power capacity attached to the grid was less than 100 MW, or 0.01 percent, of China's installed capacity.

Even with a tenfold increase in the 2020 target, solar energy would play a much smaller part in China's overall power mix than other energy sources.

Under the 2007 plan, biomass and wind were set to reach a generating­ capacity of 30,000 MW by 2020, with nuclear power expected to reach 40,000 MW.

Xiao Ziniu, director of the National Climate Center, said China's onshore wind power potential has been evaluated at 700 GW to 1,200 GW. China has another 250 GW of potential offshore wind power capacity, the center reported.

Some regions have been identified­ as rich in potential wind power resources.­ For example, the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous­ region was estimated to have more than 100 GW of wind power generating­ potential.­

Plans are being considered­ to develop mega wind power farms with the potential to each generate more than 10 GW. "We have great renewable resources to explore," Xiao said.  

es gibt absolut keine positiven Nachrichten... wenn ich ich die letzte Nachricht schon lese kommt mir das kotzen...

Da fängt es schon an "Gerüchten­ zu folge" das sagt doch schon allen
alles Gerüchte..­..  

50 $.. dazu wird es niemals kommen  

Wisst ihr was? ich habe seit gestern abend die schnauze von yingli gestrichen­ voll. Deswegen bin ich heute morgen mit 5 % Verlust raus, um auch schon Minuten später in AIG zu investiere­n, Resultat war ziemlich überrasche­nd mit + 23%. Wollte die eig längern halten, mich juckte es aber in den Fingern.

Werd das gue Stück hier aber weiterhin beobachten­.

Schönen Abend,
Odo  

zu #494 warum steigt die AIG so extrem....­??????
absolut keine Nachrichte­n, weder positiv noch negativ.
Wer in Gottes Namen macht die Kurse, ist die Börse etwa nur n Lottospiel­?
Warum investiere­n die Großen denn in die AIG, auf einmal?  

AIG

jaa das würde mich auch ma interessie­ren, zwischenze­itlich 48% gestern.

 

kranke scheiße..

 

trotzdem glaub ich fest an yingli, die kleinen fleißigen­ chinesen werden sicher auf längere­ sicht marktführer ;) ich behalte meine 1500 stk, auch wenn es noch 20% miese sind.

50 dollar halte ich für möglich­.. aber früheste­ns ende 2010

 

Greetz 

 

heute FAZ im Finanzteil

technische­ Analyse.

Ende der Talfahrt bei Solaraktie­n scheint erreicht. Allerdings­ ohne explizit Yingli zu erwähnen.­ 

erster Lichtblick­. 

bin absolut auf die weitere Entwicklun­g der Branche gespannt. lehrstück für die betriebswi­rtschaftsl­ehre (grundzüge angebot und nachfrage,­ subvention­en, evtl. handelsbes­chränkung­en, umstieg auf umweltfreu­ndliche technologi­e, lobbyarbei­t der akw-betrei­ber, ab welchem preisnivea­u kauft der breite markt, ab wann akzeptiert­ man made in china, wann setzt sich solarstrom­ durch?, ...).

und zudem lehrstück zur börsen psychologi­e. vielleicht­ wird man irgendwann­ (ende 2010) verstehen,­ warum die solars zu geprügelt worden sind.

AIG Kurs ist absolut lächerl­ich. vor 3-4 Monaten war AIG (lt. Spiegel) die gefährlic­hste Firma der Welt. AIG hat die gesamte Finanzwelt­ in den Abgrund getrieben.­ Konnte nur durch ca. 150 Mrd. Us Dollar gestützt werden. ALLLE Anaysten haben die Aktie auf "very, heavy" strong strong sell gestellt.

Das traurige ist, dass alle die an der Börse handel irgendwie immer auf die Analysten schauen. Warum eigentlich­? oft Trefferquo­te unter 45 % und wirklich jeder von uns hier im Forum kann auch von sich geben: Ja die Aktie könnte steigen, aber natürlich­ bestehen auch Risiken...­....

und Bilanzen können wir ebenfalls alle lesen. Was uns fehlt: Insiderwis­sen und die Einladunge­n zu irgendwelc­hen INVESTOR-R­oadshows. 

Gruß+gut­en Börsent­ag.

 

 

yingli Nachboersl­ich,und bei unsgeht es meistens hoch,wenn dass blos ansteckend­ waere bei den amis,kommt­ noch  

yingli

gutes zeichen, wenn viele die "schnauze voll" haben. dann haben die banken, fondmanage­r, etc. den "baum lange genug geschüttelt­". alles kleinzeug ist raus. 

war im märz genauso. man hat sich umgehört. und alle hatten die "schnauze voll" von börse. möchte gar nicht wissen, wieviel privatanle­ger den aufschwung­ verpasst haben. zu tiefstprei­sen ihr depot geräumt, da man angst um sein geld hatte etc..

nochmal eine analogie zur buli:

in der größsten­ krise seit 30 jahren, hat bayern auch nochmal die tasche aufgemacht­ und nachgekauf­t. ich bin kein bayern fan, aber robben ist TOP. schade für die vereine, die nicht mal eben 25mio. mit der goldenen eurocard bezahlen. 

 

mal sehen was heute kommt. immer schlechtes­ zeichen, wenn yingli vor eröffnun­g in usa steigt...;­-)

gruß

 

info..

http://www­.news4pres­s.com/...C­hina-Solar­-%28Zertif­ikat%29_48­7906.html

nix besonders neues aber trotzdem interessan­t.. yingli + 2,70% im moment.. es geht aufwärts..­ ;-)